Tails First or Pins First?
I've cut dovetails using both the tails-first and pins-first methods. When I was taught to do this, it was using the pins-first method, and although I was a beginner, the joints were very tight and accurate. They just required a lot of correction along the way.
Soon afterward, I saw a video by Rob Cosman on making dovetails and he cut the joint tails first. It looked to have many advantages for speeding the process and making it more accurate so I started experimenting. I soon found that a pencil was inadequate for marking the pins, where it worked just fine for marking the tails on a pins-first joint. This caused me a lot of grief as I didn't have a marking knife. I tried a number of solutions, including a sheetrock knife (don't try this at home, kids), but they all compromised the tightness of the joints. Finally, Fine Woodworking did a test on marking knives and included a $3.37 solution: the Xacto Knife. Problem solved, and my tails-first joints got much tighter.
Yesterday, Christopher Schwartz posted a list of reasons why he has adopted the tails-first method, and a couple of them are destined for my shop: gang cuts should be a real time saver, and I'll be trying the rabbetting trick soon after the moving fillester arrives in my shop.
Soon afterward, I saw a video by Rob Cosman on making dovetails and he cut the joint tails first. It looked to have many advantages for speeding the process and making it more accurate so I started experimenting. I soon found that a pencil was inadequate for marking the pins, where it worked just fine for marking the tails on a pins-first joint. This caused me a lot of grief as I didn't have a marking knife. I tried a number of solutions, including a sheetrock knife (don't try this at home, kids), but they all compromised the tightness of the joints. Finally, Fine Woodworking did a test on marking knives and included a $3.37 solution: the Xacto Knife. Problem solved, and my tails-first joints got much tighter.
Yesterday, Christopher Schwartz posted a list of reasons why he has adopted the tails-first method, and a couple of them are destined for my shop: gang cuts should be a real time saver, and I'll be trying the rabbetting trick soon after the moving fillester arrives in my shop.
Labels: Basic Concepts, Dovetails, Techniques

3 Comments:
I've always been a pins-first kind of guy, and I've always been pretty bad at dovetails. I look at others' dovetails and think, "Why don't mine ever look that good." Luckily, when I express this out loud my colleagues say they feel the exact same way.
I'm inspired by this post to start tomorrow off with an exploration of tails-first!
Are we on for the email interview/conversation soon?
Hi Tim,
I'm thrilled that you are inspired by the post. That's one thing I like about woodworking: the people who enjoy it are generally excited to see what others are doing and thinking.
Yes, we are on soon for the interview. I read through your 2006 posts last night, and I hope to get some more reading done tomorrow. The questions are starting to percolate and should be fairly quick once I get going.
For others, who may wonder about that last: I'm planning to start a series of interviews with professional woodworkers, and Tim has graciously agreed to be the first!
Thanks, Tim!
Generally speaking, I'm a pins first guy. Realistically, using my method, it makes no difference which you cut first. There are instances where it is necessary to cut one or the other first and, if you're doing things correctly, the results should be the same. My DVD on dovtailing should be ready before the end of the year. Just what the world needs, one more dovetailing video.
I have a class full of woodworkers this week. One of which has been a dedicated knife guy. I've never had much luck using a knife for marking my dovetails. Give me a sharp pencil (and there is really only one way to actually sharpen a pencil) any day. Well, this knife fellow was having trouble getting his dovetails as tight as my pencil maked ones. I showed him how to sharpen a pencil and he dramatically improved.
Great post. Keep up the good work.
Chuck Bender, Period furniture maker
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